[sc34wg3] SAM-issue psi-generics (was: SAM-issue term-scope-def)

[Nikita Ogievetsky]

Nikita:
> > So, I am a subject? Hmmm...

Marc:
> Yes you are.
> XTM: A subject is anything that can be spoken about or conceived of by a
> human being. In the most generic sense, a subject is anything
whatsoever...
> et cetera.
> That certainly makes you (and me, and Lars, and Bernard ...) a subject.

This is very slippery here, I am afraid.
Do things become subjects only if they can be  spoken about or conceived of
by a human being?
This philosophical argument is as old as the World.
I think that you are putting a coma in a wrong place.
Subjects are ideas about real things, they exist in the mental world.

Real things exist or do not exist independently of humans.
Sorry, I am materialist in this.

For example you can not speak about any particular electron
because you can not distinguish one from another.
And still it exists.

Nikita:
> > I think that a subject is a mental proxy for an individual.

Marc:
> Not in XTM (or ISO 13250).
>
> Of course you can disagree with the definition of 'subject' in XTM, but
> that is another issue...

Marc, please help me: which definition of 'subject' in XTM are you talking
about?

--Nikita.