[sc34wg3] Let's revert to N323!
Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:26:53 +0100
Dear Mary and Komachi-san,
At 19:38 03.02.2003 +0900, Mary Nishikawa wrote:
>First of all thanks for writing this.
Thank you for replying so promptly. It is very important to have the input
of the Japanese National Body on this issue.
>>Until then we had documented consensus on the direction we were
>>taking, as shown in N323
>Yes, this is what we have been discussing all along since I joined the
>National Body of Japan last year in the Spring and it made sense to us, so
>we have been thinking about it and agreed to it for at least 8 months at
>least. This is very important and not to be taken lightly.
From what you write here and your comment below, I assume this means that
you would like us to continue to use N323 as our starting point for further
discussions? Excellent. That is also the position of the Norwegian delegation.
>>(i) We recommended going for multiple standards instead of a multipart
>This multiple to separate isn't the worst. The Problem is 3 standards plus
>amendments were selected for 6 documents. How were these to be broken up?
>It was not clear to us when reading this New Work Proposal.
As I pointed out earlier, the wording of the NP doesn't commit us to
exactly 3 new standards in addition to 13250 (this is the number that "is
... *expected* to be developed"). So this part can be adjusted during the
Secondly, the list of 6 things that "the resulting standard is *expected*
to contain" do not necessarily have to be separate documents.
So I think the math is not a problem. We have the flexibility we need. But
I agree that all of this could have been clearer. The question is: Is the
lack of clarity so bad that it justifies the delays a new ballot would lead to?
>It looked to us as if this was changed in haste and did not represent what
>had been discussed over a long period by all interested parties, including
>local members in Japan, who did not attend WG3 meetings.
It was indeed changed in haste in an attempt to solve the disagreements
that arose on the last day of the WG3 meetings, at which you were
unfortunately not present. It was clearly the wrong thing to do, but I
don't think it has lead to any lasting damage, provided we are all willing
to go back to N323 as our starting point.
>>(ii) We rearranged the distribution of content between the SAM and the
>> syntax parts.
>>According to Lars Marius (the editor and primus motor behind both the SAM
>>and the XTM syntax specification) the latter decision screws things up for
>>him in a major way. We should take this very seriously.
>Just look at where the drafts stand now and how they would read. He would
>have to do substantive rewrites on three documents just to get it to "fit"
>nevermind whether it would make complete sense or not.
Exactly. Now that I am aware of this problem I think we should reconsider
the disposition of content suggested in N372. The proposal in N323 makes
much more sense.
>We discussed this at our local meeting and thought it was important enough
>to vote "no" on the New Work Item until this is straightened out. I will
>forward this to Komachi-san and he will decide what is best.
I understand your position very well. The problem is that a "no" vote will
set us back 6 months, and it really is urgent that we at least get the SAM
and XTM parts approved as soon as possible, otherwise it will not be
possible to proceed with TMQL and TMCL.
In the light of what I have written above - i.e. that the actually wording
of the NP still allows us sufficient flexibility - I would urge the
Japanese National Body to consider changing its vote to "yes with
comments". One possible comment would be that the new standard should
follow the basic plan described in N323. Another would be to suggest going
for a multipart standard, if you feel that that is the right thing to do.
>Komachi-san also mentioned that the ballot is incomplete since it is
>missing the New Work Item Acceptance Criteria.
I'm afraid I don't even know what that is. I thought we had completed the
NP with all the information that was necessary. If that is not the case, we
should clarify the matter immediately.
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