[sc34wg3] Almost arbitrary markup in resourceData
Mason, James David (MXM)
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:44:52 -0500
XHTML+MathML might get a lot of the presentation functionality I need, but
certainly only that functionality, not the actual tags I want to use: XHTML
certainly isn't any of the tag sets we use for classification guides, which
identify all sorts of things never thought of in HTML (or the old IBM DCF
Starter Set, on which it is based). And we carry lots of attributes that
have no counterparts in HTML on the tags that otherwise map reasonably well.
From: Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY)
Sent: 11/12/2003 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [sc34wg3] Almost arbitrary markup in resourceData
As I said (when the 3rd time was the charm) - No, XHTML is not enough
requirements because we want to use full (real) XML with our own
markup. I doubt XHTML would even meet a 20% usefulness level for us.
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> Patrick Durusau wrote:
> > Eric,
> > Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY) wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>I am speaking from the front lines of the user community,
> not the tool
> >>vendor community, not the acedemic community. I'm claiming
> my stake as part
> >>of the target market - the people who want to make money
> using the tools and
> >>standard as opposed to those implementing or studying.
> > Ouch! Or as Charley Brown would say, "He nicked me with a nyah!" ;-)
> > The academic community has suffered at the hands of
> standards bodies
> > that prefer texts that are dumbed down until they meet
> capricious limits
> > on parsing/processing. Well, the users in the academic
> community at any
> > rate.
> > I think Eric's point is well taken and the various parts of
> the topic
> > map standard need to take it into account. Standards that insure
> > information is interchangeable but that do not meet the
> needs of users
> > are interesting, but irrelevant.
> > As Eric and others have suggested, we are not faced with
> choosing either
> > interchange or usefulness. Both are possible in the topic
> maps standard,
> > but only if we show some imagination and ingenuity in devising a
> > solution that meets both requirements. To choose one
> without the other
> > is a recipe for failure.
> Well, the sixth time is a charm: would the XHTML+XTM DTD meet the
> 80/20 point? That's the question. Can we avoid arbitrary markup by
> providing a specific hybrid that solves the problem for 80% of the
> users who need extended abilities? As I've said, I'm even willing
> to do that work if it means avoiding arbitrary markup in a standard,
> which I will continue to maintain is a nonsequitor.
> Murray Altheim
> Knowledge Media Institute
> The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK
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