[sc34wg3] Almost arbitrary markup in resourceData
Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY)
Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:57:44 -0500
As I said (when the 3rd time was the charm) - No, XHTML is not enough for my
requirements because we want to use full (real) XML with our own semantic
markup. I doubt XHTML would even meet a 20% usefulness level for us.
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> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Murray Altheim
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> Patrick Durusau wrote:
> > Eric,
> > Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY) wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>I am speaking from the front lines of the user community,
> not the tool
> >>vendor community, not the acedemic community. I'm claiming
> my stake as part
> >>of the target market - the people who want to make money
> using the tools and
> >>standard as opposed to those implementing or studying.
> > Ouch! Or as Charley Brown would say, "He nicked me with a nyah!" ;-)
> > The academic community has suffered at the hands of
> standards bodies
> > that prefer texts that are dumbed down until they meet
> capricious limits
> > on parsing/processing. Well, the users in the academic
> community at any
> > rate.
> > I think Eric's point is well taken and the various parts of
> the topic
> > map standard need to take it into account. Standards that insure
> > information is interchangeable but that do not meet the
> needs of users
> > are interesting, but irrelevant.
> > As Eric and others have suggested, we are not faced with
> choosing either
> > interchange or usefulness. Both are possible in the topic
> maps standard,
> > but only if we show some imagination and ingenuity in devising a
> > solution that meets both requirements. To choose one
> without the other
> > is a recipe for failure.
> Well, the sixth time is a charm: would the XHTML+XTM DTD meet the
> 80/20 point? That's the question. Can we avoid arbitrary markup by
> providing a specific hybrid that solves the problem for 80% of the
> users who need extended abilities? As I've said, I'm even willing
> to do that work if it means avoiding arbitrary markup in a standard,
> which I will continue to maintain is a nonsequitor.
> Murray Altheim
> Knowledge Media Institute
> The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK
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